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Subject :Weight Changes within a Workout..
2010-01-10 16:32:24
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Subject :Re:Weight Changes within a Workout..
2010-01-12 07:14:10
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| Mike Tuchscherer |
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I have noticed the phenomenon he is talking about, but I don't think it's a problem for most. I do utilize weight changes in my workouts, though not expressly for that reason. In fact, frequent weight changes are much more common in the powerlifts than for O-lifts. |
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Subject :Re:Weight Changes within a Workout..
2010-01-20 22:13:28
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This is very common in Olympic lifting. Working up to a "training max" and making several attempts then backing down for a few sets of 2-3 reps. You see some of this in Sheiko programming as far as powerlifting goes, although you aren't working up to a "training max" necessarily. You have to be careful with the powerlifts, IMHO vs. the Olympic lifts. Its much easier to burn out, at least for me. |
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Subject :Re:Weight Changes within a Workout..
2010-01-21 01:04:33
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| Donald Lee |
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Yeah, I've heard the same thing about Olympic Weightlifters, but Pendlay's reasoning with the Wave Loading was interesting. Some day I may get into Olympic Weightlifting and try applying RTS principals to it. I still need to do some more reading on Olympic Weightlifting programming though, because I still don't have a full grasp of how they employ variety without rotating exercises in and out. I don't think the Russian model of rotating hundreds of exercises is necessary with Weightlifting. Anyways, I've always been wanting to learn more about Sheiko, but I had trouble figuring it out from resources online. I got the Eric Talmant DVD, so hopefully that'll give me some more ideas to work with in the future. |
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Subject :Re:Weight Changes within a Workout..
2010-01-21 06:09:33
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| Mike Tuchscherer |
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Given the right situation (relatively high classification, adequate prep work, etc), frequent maxing can be a fantastic way of peaking for a contest. I use it in my Realization blocks. I know some lifters who never rotate it either, but this seems unwise to me -- mostly because I feel max singles cannot develop all the necessary traits by themselves and not really because of burnout issues (although that may be an issue as well). |
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Subject :Re:Re:Weight Changes within a Workout..
2010-01-21 22:28:04
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I've never seen wave loading described like Pendlay says but makes some sense. I really loved competing/training in Olympic lifting. I felt so much more explosive and powerful than I do now. I used the basic "Bulgarian" model(which isn't really unique to them, but thats how its known on the interwebs). Work up to a training max, go at for a few attempts and back down for a couple sets. It is easy to burn out real quick doing this, however, so you have to be very careful. I wish I had Mike's book then so I could map and program my stress levels better. I remember days of clean and jerking up to 300 or so @165 pounds then feeling like I couldn't do 225 pounds the next day, but beat myself up anyway instead of backing off. Not smart. I also liked the muscular gains I got from doing Olympic lifting complexes vs. what I'm getting now with powerlifting. I don't know what it is, but I could pile on muslce quick with just snatches, cleans, and squats but now I can hardly gain with all the bench, squatting, deadlifting. Weird.
[Donald Lee 2010-01-21 00:04:33]: Yeah, I've heard the same thing about Olympic Weightlifters, but Pendlay's reasoning with the Wave Loading was interesting. Some day I may get into Olympic Weightlifting and try applying RTS principals to it. I still need to do some more reading on Olympic Weightlifting programming though, because I still don't have a full grasp of how they employ variety without rotating exercises in and out. I don't think the Russian model of rotating hundreds of exercises is necessary with Weightlifting. Anyways, I've always been wanting to learn more about Sheiko, but I had trouble figuring it out from resources online. I got the Eric Talmant DVD, so hopefully that'll give me some more ideas to work with in the future. |
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Subject :Re:Weight Changes within a Workout..
2010-01-23 08:47:40
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| Mike Tuchscherer |
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By the way, Dano... why did you switch from OL to PL? |
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Subject :Re:Weight Changes within a Workout..
2010-01-26 22:17:32
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| Dano |
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Mike, Two things happened that made me make the switch from OL to PL: 1. My knees absolutely said, "Uncle!". BUT, it wasn't from all that deep squatting, cleaning, and snatching. It came about after a training cycle emphasizing power cleans/snatches. That sudden "braking" in the quarter squat position with a load absolutely blew up my patellar tendons. I never could seem to recover. 2. Training became a chore. By this, I mean I used to drive 30 miles round trip to train. Not a big deal right? Well, when my knees got so bad I couldn't squat to a toliet without agony and I couldn't train properly...well, wasn't worth. 3. Last, but most important: my son was born. Other things took priority and spending all that time driving and training no longer appealed to me. A gym to powerlift in was close and an acquaintence (now my training partner of 3 years) are less than 10 minutes away. |
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Subject :Re:Weight Changes within a Workout..
2010-01-27 04:57:21
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| Mike Tuchscherer |
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Understandable. Have your knees recovered now? I've thought about getting into OL before. It seems like a cool sport. While I was at the Air Force Academy, I interned with the S&C staff there. I made sure to learn the OL's while I was there (at least to a cave-man level) "just in case". I have to admit, dropping the weight is probably the best part! |
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Subject :Re:Weight Changes within a Workout..
2010-01-27 20:58:44
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| Dano |
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Mike, It is a really cool sport. Nothing more exciting than grinding out a limit clean, standing there almost blacking out, then punching it overhead for a PR. Its a rush! The really neat thing is when you get "good" and you realize its really all about getting under the bar as fast as possible not pulling it higher like the old timer's taught the lift. My knees still won't take any amount of power cleans/snatches. Maybe the full versions, but never the power versions ever again. Weird. |
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Subject :Re:Weight Changes within a Workout..
2010-02-09 08:26:46
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Dano,Do you think that the power verisons of the lifts are unsafe on the knees for everyone, or just the unfortunate few? I ask because I train at home and one of my goals (broad as it may sound) is getting the most weight overhead. For this purpose, I use a continental and power jerk, as I don't/can't perform the full lift versions. So far, my knees feel OK and I am using light weight compared to your 300 pounds.Thanks. |
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