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Subject :Re:Front Squats..
2010-03-11 10:05:13
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| briangodsen |
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I do front squats for 6-10 reps regularly, in addition to back squats. I've made gains on both. I don't know what that means, but I like it. |
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Subject :Re:Front Squats..
2010-03-11 04:20:23
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| Mike Tuchscherer |
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I suppose the ubiquitous answer of "it depends" works well here too. I'd say it depends on you as a lifter (your strengths and weaknesses), as well as your training objective. It's a good alternative exercise to train your back if you don't have a SSB. Actually, between Front Squats and Zercher lifts, you can train the upper erectors pretty hard. If you're trying to train your legs (usually quads), I can see where keeping the reps down can help some folks. But on the other hand, if your upper back is what is limiting you from high reps, it might limit you on low reps too. For me, if I think of any reason to keep the reps down on front squats, it has more to do with breathing and bar position. For me, it's very difficult to breathe on front squat. And if I get past that, I tend to drop my elbows as I fatigue, causing the bar to slide down. That is what usually limits me on front squats, but regardless of the rep count. |
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Subject :Re:Front Squats..
2010-03-10 15:54:17
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It's funny. Mike has me do sets of 10 and 12 now and then. I used to think that going over 5 reps in the front squat didn't work, until I actually tried it. I remember somebody on another board posted about a question about doing 20 rep front squats, got laughed at, told it was impossible. A few months later, he posted video of himself doing 20x315 in the front squat. So I'm not sure that doing high rep front squats is bad, impossible, or a bad idea. They definitely work the upper back. They're hard. But you also need that strong upper back for back squats, and this is a great way to work on it in your accumulation phases. |
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Subject :Re:Front Squats..
2010-03-10 14:19:32
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| philrussell |
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What previous poster said. Trying to do heavy front squats for more than 5 reps is IMHO a bad idea. You'll start leaning forward more and more and eventually either place way too much stress on your lower back or dump the bar. I like either 5x5 or 5x3 (5 sets of 3 reps) to rack up the volume. They're a great *assistance* exercise for PL, and are certainly less stressful than the back squat. |
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Subject :Re:Front Squats..
2010-03-10 13:29:06
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Front Squat for high reps are no good. Upper back becomes the limiting factor instead of leg strength. They have enormous carry over for me, in fact, front squats and deadlifts are the only squat assistance I do. But I do squat ATG and only do 400 @ 190... Cheers! |
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Subject :Front Squats..
2010-03-10 13:21:19
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| jbrin0tk |
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I've never really done them before. Well, once or twice but not enough to really gain anything from them. Anyone do them and have good carryover to their back squat, or is this something that would be better left as a higher rep exercise (8-15 or so)? Thanks. |
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Subject :Re:Mental aspects of meet preparation..
2010-03-09 10:10:16
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I've only done a couple meets so far. But usually I am fine, excited, but fine up until the day of the meet. Then my stage fright kicks in, and for that first squat my hands are usually shaking so bad that I can't hardly chalk them. But by the time I get out under the bar I don't even notice anyone. I listen to the judge's commands and squat. The rest of the meet is pretty much downhill from there. After that first lift I am generally on such a huge adrenalin rush all day that I lift way better than in the gym. Like Both meets I've added 50lb pr's to my gym pr on both squat and dl both meets. |
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Subject :Re:Introductions!..
2010-03-09 09:59:51
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Who: My name is Jerad. I live in Alberta, Canada. What do you do: Employment - I work in the IT department for the Health Region in my province. Powerlifting - Been training for ~ a year now. Best meet lifts are 495/330/451 @ 242 partially geared, IPF meets. Stumbled across Mike's video's on youtube and once I picked my jaw up off the floor I checked out the website. What is interesting about you (everybody has something)? Nothing extremely interesting about me. I'm basically a huge nerd. Which may just work to my advantage. I am reading articles on strength gain, nutrition, recovery all day practically. Always looking for new ways I can improve my technique and strength. |
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Subject :Re:Mental aspects of meet preparation..
2010-03-08 18:49:06
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Well, It's good to know that there is at least one other lifter (Bob!) who is also "psycho". I reiterate Mike's question; when is it good to get psyched up, fired up, whatever you want to call it? Does it serve a positive role in training, or just create more stress to recover from? How about it's role in competition? How do you channel it into strength where you need it, and not just an uncontrolled energy release? I know it is draining and unsustainable, so when do you do it, if at all? C'mon guys, there are a bunch of experienced powerlifters here, so what works for you? What have you learned? |
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Subject :Re:Re:Mental aspects of meet preparation..
2010-03-08 13:29:31
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Sounds like you're on your own, psycholifter. J/K. I've experienced the exact same thing on DL and DL variants. There's defnitely something psychological about it, at least for me. While I normally get that feeling only setting a big PR, I've had it on "smaller" lifts, depending on the circumstance.
[Mark Robb 2010-03-01 13:59:30]: I have noticed that my best lifts occur when approaching the lift in a fairly calm but excited manner, but after the lift I feel almost a rage, especially with deadlifts. I wonder if any one else has this experience, and what do you think about it? |
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Subject :Re:Arnolds Weekend..
2010-03-08 12:51:30
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| Mike Tuchscherer |
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I updated my blog with a full meet write-up. |
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Subject :Re:Question for Mike Switch to Frequency vs Fatigue Tolerance Split?..
2010-03-08 12:42:35
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| Mike Tuchscherer |
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Question for Mike Switch to Frequency vs Fatigue Tolerance Split?
I was not at an elite level when I made this change. But I see now that one is not better than the other. Frequencies are like exercise selection -- you have to pick the one that addresses your needs and goals best. Since this will likely change as you progress through each training cycle, your ideal frequency will also likely change. |
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Subject :Re:Bald Bulls Log(AKA Big Bach)..
2010-03-08 12:11:29
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Subject :Re:Arnolds Weekend..
2010-03-08 07:03:38
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| briangodsen |
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Subject :Arnolds Weekend..
2010-03-08 03:11:28
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Has anyone heard any results or anything that's interesting otherwise? |
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Subject :Re:Re:Regarding the use of "speed" or "DE" work..
2010-03-08 01:24:33
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Regarding the use of "speed" or "DE" work
Mike Tuchscherer wrote 2010-03-05 21:29:20: This is a very good conversation, and I'm reluctant to reply because when I do, the conversation usually dies. You can't help it, all due to your Absolute Authoritative Attitude  But so far, I think a few points have stood out -- that you should select protocols (not just DE work; any protocol) as a tool the same way you choose exercises. So naturally, this would be needs-based. You're quite right, all choises should be confined to the law of specifity, thus associated with specific needs and their related methods of development.
My follow-up question to you all is this: what physiological traits are developed by doing DE work? How would you determine if this was something you need? In my view, it's all about learning the skills to effectively activate the right MU patterns necessary for optimal max effort lifts in the first place.In short, neuromuscular efficiency. ME work does this by itself to a large extent, but the downside is that it tends to drain you (neurologically) rather quick as well. Since neuromotoric (technical) skills learning is enhanced by executing recruitment patterns frequently and repetitively, doing ONLY ME work, due to it's strain on your system, falls short in this respect. However, higher volume integrated CAT/dynamic effort work with submax loads (say 70-85% 1RM), seems to serve this purpose quite well. Apart form this fuctional aspect, longer term structural changes like hypertrophy seems to be elicited as well by higher volume CAT/DE work sets. The determination of this with regards to myself is rather anecdotical, but I've noticed on several occassions that whether I'm training or NOT training this way, makes a big difference in terms of muscle-mass increase and 1-3RM progression in the long run. |
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Subject :Re:Becoming a Student of the Sport..
2010-03-07 06:48:14
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I'm a believer in becoming a "student of the body" as well. Tom Meyer's, "Anatomy Trains" is a great introduction to anatomy from a fresh perspective. Stuart McGill, "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance". Great stuff about the role of "core" in athletics. Lyle McDonald - just about anything he's written on nutrition is top-notch. |
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Subject :Re:Regarding the use of "speed" or "DE" work..
2010-03-07 04:39:38
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Regarding the use of "speed" or "DE" work
Related to Mike's question, and I've been thinking about this thread for a bit anyhow. I do want to say that my observations / theory are based upon my n=1 experience only. I did a day/week of dynamic effort work when I was getting back into training, so, there I was a beginner. I think it served a useful purpose: I needed more volume on the main exercises to learn what I was doing. However, doing more volume at a heavier weight and just grinding out the reps would have pushed me into overtraining. So DE work gave me a nice way to have my cake and eat it too. As far as what I focused on: I focused on bar speed, plain & simple. |
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Subject :Re:Becoming a Student of the Sport..
2010-03-05 21:29:58
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| Mike Tuchscherer |
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Good Question! I'm still formulating my reading list, but here's a few... Fitness and Strength Training for All Sports by Hartmann and Tunneman This book is a pretty heavy text book, but it is absolutely chock full of useful info. This book taught me a great deal of introductory physiology and gives a very good working knowledge of how the neuromuscular processes work -- from neuron to mitochondria to energy systems. This book is like basic math -- it may not seem applicable to everyday life on the surface, but if you take time to really understand it, you'll find lots of application. After you get that down and you start to realize why stress management is important, read "Why Zebras Dont get Ulcers". This book is very good at teaching you to understand the human stress response a little better. If you don't know why that would matter, the book does explain that as well. As far as a book that explains intermediate and long term planning to an acceptable degree, I haven't found one that I feel does a good enough job. The Block Periodization book by Issurin is good, as are many others. I think in the end, you just learn how to apply different training dynamics and which methods are most effective for which people. |
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Subject :Re:Regarding the use of "speed" or "DE" work..
2010-03-05 21:29:20
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| Mike Tuchscherer |
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Regarding the use of "speed" or "DE" work
This is a very good conversation, and I'm reluctant to reply because when I do, the conversation usually dies. But so far, I think a few points have stood out -- that you should select protocols (not just DE work; any protocol) as a tool the same way you choose exercises. So naturally, this would be needs-based. The other point I'm glad you made is that it's effective employment in other programs must be considered as part of an entire training system, not just a particular method in solo. My follow-up question to you all is this: what physiological traits are developed by doing DE work? How would you determine if this was something you need? |
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